harvest bible church scandal

Also I Cor. Only time will tell whether Harvest can outlive its founding pastorand the scandal that has enveloped both him and his elder board. Dont find that in the Bible. Pray for James and Christs church that the LORD would accomplish what HE and HE alone is allowing. Also Thank you Lina for having the courage to say something now. Its ironic that you should post this today. Following a lengthy season of review, reflection, and prayerful discussion, the Elders of Harvest Bible Chapel had determined that Pastor MacDonald should be removed from his role of Senior Pastor. I believe you spoke up now to show how far reaching the powerful words and actions of those in authority goes. Im grateful that the sin of James and the elders/staff who allowed his tyranny to prosper is finally coming to light, so that the abuse can come to an end. [], Lost me at the private jet shared with Bill Hibel. I didnt want to risk any negative impacts on my own growing ministry. What are you authorized to do? Your two posts make no sense I hope you get some sense and realize people in Church are not infallible only Jesus! It never dawned on me that no one from HBC would reach out. The current leadership at Harvest Bible Chapel including Luke and Landon and Rick and Mo and Jeff and the CFO are infected by the cancer of fear and control. In my lowly position, I have said, like others, I would have put my head in the sand and continued to do the job God gifted me to do in the interest of the body. Everyone sat still as if he mentioned chocolate milk. All why surrounding himself w/yes men. I do have cds and dvd of contemporary Christian artists. The church was growing at the time. Even now, many years later, the enemy could still, if I let him, get me questioning my motives and trying to persuade me I was in the wrong not the shepherds. REALLY !! I grew up in the Church of Christ. Were they afraid? There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, and nothing hidden that will not be made known. Fear is dead life a remnant of Satan. James MacDonald founded Harvest Bible Chapel in 1988. We too would pray and fast and seek the Lord as to what it was we could have done wrong as not one person from the church we had attended for years cared to find out where we were at. It is now operating at James MacDonald Ministries. I didnt want to upset James. I saw the horrible video of the three Elders that were fired, It was autrocious! you managed (a wording that says, you knew it was not right, but did so out of self protection) and humility because as Mancow is now saying, James had alligator tears of his hurt to make you feel guilty. A friend sent a link showing a video of a former Willow pastors return to that church to speak after leaving a decade ago for similar reasons as you left Harvest. Attempts to reconcile the situation failed due to the pastor believing he had done nothing wrong. I didnt want to be rebellious against authority. Pray for those of us who donate 10 percent of our income and would like to know where the money really goes. The day I watched the video, I emailed my campus pastor and asked for an explanation. I have my own hurt of how certain situations were handled with me through the 20s ministry Then soon after that, the 30s ministry, production ministry and even the womens ministry on multiple occasions. Stressful on him and his family. I enjoy both of you Christian ladies for the different gifts you both bring. Sheri and her husband Gary attended Cornerstone in the 1980s while attending Azusa Pacific and in their first few years of marriage. I wonder if this is an area where youd feel free to minister; where people leave the church and are forgotten. MacDonald took an indefinite sabbatical in January, following a tumultuous few months defending Harvest in a defamation lawsuit against its critics and in the aftermath of a World magazine investigation into mismanagement at the church. The assistant pastor just tried to deflect and justify the pastors actions. After he was treated and had surgery he was totally different person: quick to get angry all the time, control freak, and mean.there are things that we dont know. Its where I was led to Christ. Ive been in the medical field for over 40 years and know a thing or two about human anatomy. Leaving spiritual abuse is okay, you cant be expected to change it while youre in the midst of it. I hope to become braver. Once a preacher condemns other, that is the sign that he is trying to avert attention from what he is doing. Im praying for you. Now, the church has decided its longtime leader wont be coming back. Jesus may be truly calling people to stay, and rebuild Harvest Bible Chapel. He says he gave about $1K in these 6 months, and regrets it. Its about the hurting. The unrest at Harvest began in the fall of 2013, when two elders were excommunicated and another was indirectly censured, Roys writes. Thankful we got left when we did. I hope that the cleansing and purification will come to Davenport as well. Not one. The New Testament model that churches should follow, says Every Believer is a Priest. The news came less than a week after another update from Julie Roys, a defendant in the lawsuit and the writer responsible for the World investigation, who has continued to release evidence against MacDonald and call for his resignation. Why do you say you have a lack of music?. Dont you think this influences decisions made by the leaders, both now and before? I attended Harvest Bible Chapel for over 8 years and served as the Womens Ministry Director at the Rolling Meadows campus for three of those years (thats the flagship original campus by the way). 2 Thumbs Way up to you my sister in Christ, for being open about your experience there, which more people than you know have also been through! These are the same elders that approved this same law suit to be dropped when James and co. knew that they would have to open all the books and all the dirt would come out! I have seen this in many independent churches.THIs was done to me at a similar setting.The pastor One of things his way or the highway and there was no disagreement because he said it was leading to anarchy. I believe Yahweh has me where He wants me. Well said. Harvest elders announced this morning that they were forced to take "immediate action" on Tuesday to end his 30-year tenure. Thank You for writing your blog. Go figure..Disappointed, Searching for a new study close by. Even more, the trauma of having those who had taught me so much about Jesus and showed me the way to Jesus healing suddenly take the side of the person who caused me to fear for my life- its taken a long time to move forward. The problem was not simply Harvest messaging, but also the teachings that made such messagingmake sense. He ultimately requested that Harvest Naples be released from its relationship with the megachurch. , The elders of Harvest stand behind [Pastor MacDonalds] character and integrity without reservation. I have wondered if Harvest Bible Chapel (the organization) is worth the cost its taken to try and save it? I dont see anything mean in her commentary. Jesus calls us to be GOOD. May God have mercy on his soul. We cant judge the HEART of others, we can judge their actions and behaviors. I was so surprised to read that you were afraid because you seem like such a strong and confident person. Im about to lead a teaching tomorrow night about the mark God placed on Cain after he killed his brother Abel. 102 reviews of Faith Church "I have been to a few churches in my day. Praying for this church also that Gods Holy Spirit is cleaning/healing/humbling/teaching his people. The elders ordered church members to separate themselves from dissenters for fear of their souls; called MacDonalds critics behavior satanic to the core; and accused them carrying out an attack by Satan against MacDonald and Harvest. I was there when Ted launched. The only hope is to totally exposed and excise it so that all will not be consumed. Your staying as long as you did part of the clarity and power youve experienced in communicating what youve seen. Mike was genuinely shocked when we told him our son had Paxton as a camp counselor for whole week at Camp Harvest and we never received notice as HBC falsely told Daily Herald. I pray that moving forward, His love will control me no matter the consequences. We are conditioned to believe that leaving silently is whats best for the church and in some cases thats true. James MacDonald was forced out Tuesday night as senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel, a church he founded in Rolling Meadows some 30 years ago. Praying for you, many blessings for all you do. On his radio show, Muller later aired what sounded like clips of MacDonald making harsh comments toward media who had covered the story. Did you see the link to my web page. The people of the church are those we feel we can trust and love. Can Bubble Tea Bring Gen Z into the Chinese Church. In one fellowship people were actually warned to have nothing to do with us, and yet all we had done, in each instance was to ask questions. Harvest Bible Chapel has owned its mistakes and endured to become a happier and healthier church, whose members recently pledged financially, in their walk/work for Christ, and in their. The moment I read about someone saying something about planting child pornography on the Christianity Todaycomputers, I knew I had to figure out what the heck was going on. The Harvest and James MacDonald Controversy Explained, Did Pharaoh Have Free Will? Otherwise, the church must answer the same question, for that is one of the majors that Jesus gave us. (Matthew 12:33-37). I am aware that there has been some very good ministry done through this church. Mahoney and Bryant shared concerns about Harvests financial dealings, and provided a platform for other former Harvest members, who accused MacDonald of a controlling and abusive leadership style and pointed to an overall lack of accountability for MacDonald at Harvest. There are always two sides to every story not really believing your story and if someone is a Christian you would talk about this with some Church leaders not blow it all out in public its sad that it was done that way that isnt what a Christian would do it is what a secular person would do. The kindest thing one can do is to cut out and expose the cancer to death. I attended Harvest for five years, and left five years ago. Structure: the structure of My Dream Church is based on the New Testament Body Of Christ The web page has a Contact button on the bottom and we can email. What should we be planning for, praying for, and what did Jesus teach about? It seems to have so many cracks in the structure. Thank you for opening up your home so that hurting people could come together and share. It is a shame to Christianity what is happening here. Romans 16: 17-20. What does the Bible say about debt? DONT defend these people in any way!! Plus Lina Abujamra on Why She Left Harvest Bible Chapel | Wondering Eagle, How Christians Care for One Another When Their Leaders Fall BCNN1 WP, How Christians Care for One Another When Their Leaders Fall Urban Christian News, How Christians Care for One Another When Their Leaders Fall BCNN2, How Christians Care for One Another When Their Leaders Fall | BCNN1 Black Christian News Network, From Mars Hill to Harvest: Hope for a Wounded Church Bible Talk. Rather, God is shaking the junkall of our junkout of His Church. Why kick him and the church while their down Lina? Ross, Ross Blomberg, Witnesses say MacDonald was angry that the photo was still on display. At the start of the year, elders stated that his primary focus has transitioned from building our ministries to securing a healthy succession that sets all our ministries up to flourish in the next generation.. At my former church, I reached the point where I couldnt, in good conscience, stay because of the amount of bull-headed spiritual abuse that was going on combined with covering-up of sexual abuse. We believe that disciples of Jesus profess that He is Lord, practice His Ways, and persevere in both their profession and practice. Our enemy loves this. Now its a big business with Harvest all over the states. But wait who is that lurking around the edges, his deeds the center of everyones interest in our church right now, salivating and gleeful that divisiveness and sin is healthy within the body of Christ? for less than $4.25/month. She put words to my feelings and I am truly blessed by them. I left HBC Davenport 4 years ago because of the spiritual abuse that is happening there as well. Do you realize the elders are already choosing to step down? I am saddened by it. Free of James fear. Her princes within her are like wolves tearing the prey, by shedding blood and destroying lives in order to get dishonest gain. You are completely right on! The Jews ebb and flow toward God followed a pattern. Now he is disillusioned and wants to go back to Catholicism. Sadly, this cancer has spread to other churches that were once part of the fellowship. Thank you for having the courage to write what you did and for your ministry Lina. But as every Christian knows, we walk and we live by grace. James has all the characteristics of a false teacher. Be blessed Lina! I am staying because with all the faults in the organization, the people of Harvest are my family. Now that these differences with MacDonald have come to resolution, our focus and full attention are on the future of Harvest Bible Chapel, they said. Hence the Response Statement Regarding Pastor James and Anne Green yesterday on HBC in the news. Do elder boards mean anything, or are they just there to look pretty? Thank you for your thoughts and strong, encouraging words. With Gossip of the Gospel, the Church Grows in Nepal. These three men had then joined six other former eldersthese men had all left Harvest entirelyin writing and sending a letter to the current elder board raising concerns about MacDonalds leadership. The beloved drink is both an attraction and a generational divide. Christ followers are saying enough. I follow Jesus in His Strength the best I can in the light He has given me. This all happens when we gather, grow and go together as followers of Jesus. God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. Fear. Leba and Sheila- Keep on being brave- it encourages me to do the same! I pray for the leaders. The elders and pastoral board have created a team called Harvest 2020 to conduct a complete review of what happened, and of the church. 1st at services, then recording those messages fir walk in the word and finally by publishing them. At Camp Harvest in 2009, for example, the pastor shot at a target that contained photos of some elders wives. Therefore, we are at our most open to hurt. Christs grace saves us and sustains us. In Christian arbitration, the preacher was granted $1.45 million and the rights to Walk in the Word. The ungodly jockying for power and control is still an issue in all our churches. Be kind not hurtful. May the love of Jesus Christ and his peace flood over you this day! Lina, a number of years ago I was reading one of your books while waiting for Gordon Z. to join me for lunch. Abusers groom their community and a spiritually abusive church grooms its members to not rock the boat, to gaslight themselves, and to leave quietly if they should ever refuse to submit to abuse. Careers Workplace and Religion Columnists, Recreation Outdoors and Religion Columnists, Religious Music and Entertainment Columnists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, revealed material obtained under subpoena, called into Mancow Mullers Chicago-area radio show. Streaming Video Broadcast. Each former leader that speaks out helps us heal and validates our experience. Thank you for sharing! I think he forgot Whose ministry it was. While I am personally removed from the situation, my brother and sister-in-law attend a Harvest Church and there has been a lot of pain through all of this. I just knew I wasnt supposed to be there anymore. Hearing these stories has helped me to realize I left just when I was supposed to. I am surprised by your editorial on Harvest. now James McDonald. Still. Brave. Lastly, we need to comfort hurting today, she wrote. and manifest character, which have been revealed to speak not of the Holy Spirit of love, but rather have the love of money and power and the very reek of Hell about them! I work every day to be rid of my anger and thank you for proving that church is an unsafe place filled with predictors such as yourself seeking to tear down. How dare you question her about why? Why? Thank you for displaying what an honest and vocal Godly woman can look like. Following the initial World report, MacDonald announced he would be taking a sabbatical, but suggested he may still occasionally preach at a Harvest-affiliated church in Florida. My daughter had been bullied by both Luke and James, in the presence of other adults, several times over her years in the youth group and yet I did not leave. It is a really strange thing when persecution comes from the pastor and elders. Still, things seemed off. Many were intimidated, called names, called subversives. As questions about how Harvest Bible Fellowship money was used ballooned, the pressure mounted. BTW, Ive loved your blogs in the morning, but cant read the Twitter ones because I am not on Twitter. The leader of that church, John Secrest, was blindsided by the news and asked Harvest elders to reconsider allowing MacDonald to preach there. I can only hope and pray that those that criticize you for speaking up now are MORE upset about the behavior of the leaders of the church! Besides, pastors charismatic enough to gain large followings frequently have the ability to effectively deflect criticism and keep their elder board firmly on their side. www. I would recommend A book Joy Starts Here and The Pandora Problem Facing Narcissism in Leaders & Ourselves as helpful to possibly understand how whats happened can be explained and perhaps bring healing and prevention as members move forward. You personify a strong, fast talking, intelligent woman, which is a gift by way of your heritage. We continue in prayer for all those affected near and far. This is not an endorsement of the culture at Harvest because its total trash, but you cant blame them for you bad theology choices. While many in the congregation were willing to give it a second chance, some members raised concerns about many of these individuals closeness to MacDonald, and their willingness to cover for him for so long. We attended Harvest for 16 years before we left little over 4 years ago. In any case, we had a final meeting with the pastor and his assistant pastor (who was his son-in-law) to tell them that I was leaving their church. James is (was) a powerful force which could and did destroy people with his power and influence. The reason there are spiritual Pol Pots that number in the thousands like our friend James McDonald is because men are happy to give themselves authority. God is faithful, and He is doing what needs to be done to protect His bride. this isnt meant to hurt you but to support those who need it. FEAR is a liar, pray for them and never let offense take you out, that was the enemys plan! A woman who is full of fun loving life. Data Coordination. or is it the congregations fault for being weak and gullible? A year later, MacDonald apologized for the harsh discipline taken against the three men, adding that Harvest had meaningfully and mutually reconciled with them. That the church went on and did not implode or hemorrhage members right then speaks to the prevalence of harmful ideas about authority and church leadership in evangelical circles. I left Harvest about a year before you did, and I also stayed, for the most part, silent out of the same fear you described. DIRECTIONS & INFO | . Lina, I was so dissappointed to hear that she left. The only thing I liked about that church was the worship, which was glorifying to the Lord. 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